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Gul - sounds as you've given your next career moe some good thought. Which subject(s) are you thinking of teaching?
SB - glad to hear the weather has cheered up a bit. Which part of Surrey are you in? I'm in Bookham so am able to head out of the house and be running on the North Downs Way or Box Hill after about 30 minutes.
Minni - took your advice and headed up onto the Town Moor and did a couple of laps up there dodging cows and dogs.
Still seem to be struggling to get quick leg turnover but at least I managed a couple of miles at 6:50 pace or thereabouts but nevertheless a bit worrying for the half in a couple of weeks time. Total of 7.5 miles in cold rain that made me wish I'd looked a bit harder for my running gloves before I left the house on Monday.
I don't know Newcastle very well at all but I do think it's got a good feel to it as a city.
Now Lorenzo, wouldn't you just love to run a marathon around there?
Could be tempted - is the Town Moor the best one or would you suggest another one? Quite fancy the idea of Kielder as well.
Maybe I'll just come and live up in the North East!!!
you could do worse Lorenzo
I can feel a north east smackdown coming on....
Lorenzo - come and join the NE Marathon Club
But don't start Minni on the Town Moor a.k.a. the Hypothermia Challenge Race
I thought I'd pop on here to see how you all are and lo and behold, I find a reference to me,me,me. Marvellous
I wouldn't say back in form with a 19-19, maybe when I'm under 18-38 (ish) I'll be happy but things are going well again. It will be exactly a year to the day this Saturday since I underwent a lumbar discectomy and I will be "celebrating" by taking part in the first fixture of the Birmingham XC League which is an absolute BINFEST(riot) where all three divisions run with each other then on Sunday I'll be doing a 3hr bike ride in the Peak District with some mates.
I'm riding 10miles each way to work and back (new job) every day now and I manage to layer in a couple of runs a week as well. I've managed a 90min long run (7m57s pace) and a running club session (1km reps at 3m31-3m37s) in recent weeks as highlights.
Strava says I've done 38hrs in Sept (cycling and running) and 32hrs in Oct which should give you an indication of how things are going. My immediate aims are to do the xc season and get in the top 100 of any Div 2 xc race and also make the top 6 counters of my club within any Div 2 xc race. Once that's over and done with (mid Feb 2014) I'll have a better idea of what 2014 may have in store for me.
Obviously BIG love to our sub 3 violin playing legal eagle and welcome to all the newbies on here looking for advice. Get a good winter in, stay illness and injury free, be consistent, don't be shit and I'll cheer you lot on next April at about mile 22 as per usual.
Yay Lorenzo, come and join me and Poacher in December! Pleased you liked the Town Moor, a pb course if ever there was don't you say?
Lorenzo - I work in Redhill so I can get a few hills in as well as some flat stuff at lunchtimes which is handy. Ran through Bookham with a mate who lives in Epsom during an LSR for the Paris campaign earlier this year, it's nice around there.
SB
MM! Good to hear from you and glad that things are on the up. Are you going to stick around?
Hi MM, Glad to hear your back is on the mend. Popping back in here must mean you fancy a marathon.
SB I usually do the P&D 20/10% of MP longs runs as Gul described and I do find them a tough run picking up the pace for the last 5 or 6. But these as well as MP long runs I do during the 16 odd weeks up to the marathon. At this time of year I rarely go above 8min mile pace on my long runs. I suppose it's all about building up the endurance and avoiding injury, to me this means slow.
Calf still a bit tight today so I went out for a blast on my bike. My back side was very wet by the end due to this crap weather. I'd like to fit some mudguards to it during the winter months but this would make my lovely bike look shit. I'll put up with a damp arse.
Great thread myths:
1 MM doesn't fancy another mara
2 Newcastle Town Moor is a fast course
3 PMJ has no record of his resting heart rate on April 23, 2007
4 "I'll just do one mara, then go back to shorter distances..."
5 "I'm really enjoying the taper.."
etc etc
Good luck Gul, welcome back MM, great work SalF
Looking back over my training for London this year all of my long runs were at 8:30+ avg pace (even throughout apart from the last couple of miles when I can't help speeding up) apart from one, which was run at 7m easy, 7m steady, 6m MP. Allmy other MP miles were done in shorter runs. I did 9 runs of 20+ miles.
Waves to MM.
SB - nice tempo session.
GM - another lunchtime run notched up.
Lorenzo - probably Maths, although French is a possibility as I did a joint honours degree in Pure Maths and French Language. That's something I need to check next week as I didn't study any applied maths or French literature at Uni. And yes, I think it will time for gloves soon (probably already is way up north in Newcastle near the Arctic Circle).
MM! Really good to hear from you and even better to hear you are recovering well from your op. Good luck with the XC!
4 recovery miles d&d.
Welcome back to MM - glad to hear you're back in plenty of running action. I've a sneaky suspicion that the pull of the marathon might be taking hold of you again. Don't forget you're officially the originator of this thread so it's your duty and responsibility to keep posting on here!!
Minni - might have to pass on a December marathon I'm afraid. Not enough long runs in the legs recently.
Gul - sounds good. There always seems to be a shortage of supply of Maths teachers so plenty of incentives to people looking at going down this route. I also studied Maths (specialising in Pure Maths by the time I got to my final year) so know about the joys of algebraic number theory!!! Good luck with that.
Ooo, a thread of maths geekiness. Is this an appropriate time to mention I'm an English Lit & History graduate?
Excellent to see the return of MM, and sounds like the speed is coming back nicely.
Good work from Lorenzo, GM, SB, Gul and probably others I've missed.
My lunchtime training window closed rapidly yesterday, so ended up going out last night for an easy 6 instead, relying on the headtorch round the unlit lanes. Reminds me why I try to stick with lunchtime and early morning running during the winter, but needs must.
5M easy this morning. Legs generally feel pretty ok, but I suspect I will discover that I'm far from full recovered when I try and race at this weekend's Gwent League fixture. Especially as if the rain doesn't ease up it is going to be a mudbath.
Abbers: I'm a BA (Law) (well, technically an MA...), but I did maths A-level, if that helps me to ingratiate myself with both the arts and maths graduates?
Jools, maths and then law? As well as your musical abilities? Multi-talented! Deciding on A-levels/degree must have been difficult with so many options, or was law always your calling?
5 more easy miles ticked off at lunch.
Gul you slacker, Minni beat your post by more than an hour this morning.
Archaeology degree, which explains which I spent the day discussing genocide
Treadie 10k no 4 of the week, getting ever duller
No, I was torn between music and law for a long time, but ultimately decided you can be a lawyer who plays the violin for fun, but no violinists get to be lawyers for fun in the evening.
Poacher, strange where our jobs lead us! Mostly I just sit at a desk, the odd customer site visit or conference trip apart. Are you an active archaeologist, spending time at digs? A lot of hard graft for a few moments of discovery I would have thought.
Jools, valid point. And presumably a more steady pay cheque in law too.
MM, great to see you back and that XC is on the cards. Yours is the only shout I heard for the full 26.2 miles so you need to get those lungs in action again.
I have a MA and a MSc, really I am master of the universe
Never driven at school and still not sure what I want to do in life at the ripe old age of 46.
I blame the parents.
Moof - join me - just couple of "A" levels here - History & English; although this was sufficient for me to be regarded as the family "egghead", with much parental pride as I became the first Birch to actually go to work in a collar & tie . . . . .
No, looks like you won't be joining me in the corner with the dunce cap.
I didn't even make it to a uni because I failed most of my A levels. I did scrape into a Polytechnic, but I got kicked out of there after 6 months. I blame computers - if I hadn't met a Commodore Pet the year before my A levels I wouldn't have lost all interest in the subjects I'd chosen and may have actually studied for them, and now I'd probably be a town planner! Instead I managed to wangle my way into software developement, then shifted sideways into testing, and I've been a contract software tester for over 20 years now.
Pace for long runs is interesting. I've found that for me my long run pace has barely changed between training for 3:30 and training for 3 hours and 8:00 to 8:10 seems to be my comfy pace. The difference comes in the faster stuff as when I chose to I can go faster for longer compared to 4 or 5 years ago.
A circuit session last night 3 x 9 exercises, 30 seconds each, with a lap of the park every 3 exercises. My upper body is so weak, and the left side is merely a counterbalance for the right!
PhD in organic chemistry. Do I win?
My two eldest are at uni studying theoretical physics and maths and particle physics and cosmology respectively. What a fun bunch we are....! Don't get invited to many dinner parties unsurprisingly.
Jools, the thought of somebody contemplating practising law for "fun" is mind boggling.
Groin is still niggling away although had my best night's sleep last night for a month which is a sign that it is settling down. Fingers are crossed (I might be able to cross my legs soon too)
I did social sciences at Uni and never use any of it in my job. I was poor at maths but do use every day, and poor at languages but now speak a couple to a reasonable level. Strangely all my kids are strong in maths and sciences.
2 shorts runs this week. Not short of hills around here so I tend to put in a couple on most runs. Tomorrow will be a non-running day but hols on Friday so I should recover with a long one.
Nice to hear from you MM, sounds like you've moved towards the bike over running Are you seeing any benefits?.
Have passed more exams out of school than I did in it. Did PRINCE2 just last year.
Shove up on the step moof and pass me my D monickered conical cranial protector.
SB
Mmmm, marathons...... Well the plan was that after I did reasonably well in 2011 at all distances I would consolidate in 2012 and then go FULLBORE in May this year at the Essex marathon (I think) as that was *just* after I turned 40. The idea being to give myself a cheeky birthday present of sub 3. However, things started going pear shaped in early 2012 and that was that. Having a surgeon fiddle around with your spinal column tends to make you realise that maybe running a marathon 6 months later on top of no running for the previous 6 months might not be the brightest idea.
Now the focus is on seeing how I cope with racing over ever increasing distances so I'm ok with 5k and on Saturday I'll see how I cope with 10k (ish). If the xc season goes ok then I've got a 5 miler planned locally for Dec 29th and then look at 2014 as seeing if I can near to where I was at distances up to HM. If my OAP frame stands up to the rigours and I can get under 84mins for a HM then I'll think about something longer.
It may be my body simply can't cope with anything longer than 90mins and if that happens so be it. I'm happy enough with a sub 3h15 time and I saw several of my clubmates this year go in to London in sub 3 form and all three bombed out so as you know, there are no guarantees and marathon running is a cruel endeavour. I guess that's why we love it huh?
OO50 - always been a cyclist tbh so it's nice to get back into the groove and I reckon that cycling benefits running rather than vice versa. If you look at multi-sport athletes they all train the cv system and it does cross over but if I wanted to be a really good runner I'd run more than I cycled.