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last long run is planned for fri or sat this week, time will tell after the 14 th if it was right or wrong I guess
NN well done on your run yesterday, I think you would be fine cutting into the 3 weeks of your taper but I am know expert
Tek good little run today hope your left foot improves quickly
AGF nice shuffling earlier
AGF - Cheers, legs are a bit tender now! Still got last weeks farcical half in them, as well as yesterdays race.
MG - I think I'll do 20 on Sat/Sun and finish up with 5 on Monday, so a 13 day taper. But I expect to do very very little running in the 2 weeks leading up. The taper mileage on the P&D plans looks mental to me. I really only expect to run 25-30 miles in the 13 days leading in. Probably do a lot of swimming though.
After reading the advice I think I shall probably go with the 21 ...SLOWLY on Tues as this week is mad shift wise, she ( matron ) kindly stuck me on an extra night shift tomorrow to completely bugger my week up..plus I have the eldest son and grandsons staying the rest of this week till Fri...oh for Christ sake whose idea was this ruddy P&D schedule
Went for swim today not much just half mile but nice stretch out.
AGF I am truly gutted for you you were running so well I do hope things improve soon
STEWARTC re the MP run I would do it P&D style as part of the 16 , I did 17 with 14...you could do 16 with 10/12, dont do it instead of the speed work do it as well just to make it real hard core..THEN next time round you can do this fricking schedule
SM6 have you run a 20 just 2 weeks out before in marathon training ? mind you mine has a 17....yes this is a tough schedule to follow, thinking back to the beginning of December I was so excited and couldn't wait for it to start...BUT NOW !!! after 15 weeks and over 850 miles run over the coldest windiest crappiest winter in 2000 years I really have had enough only and if I dont get a PB I will actually kill someone
MG1 how can you nearly forget intervals ?? nice days training well done
TEK I take it you were in the purple top ? well done again
Intervals tomorrow
800s ? no far too easy ,1k reps ? no still too easy ..dont be silly 
6 x 1200s !! and done as part of an 11 miler...oh what fun
Walk around Buttermere this afternoon.
Finished having pushing card in snow ... !
OH all that snow and you are still smiling
That should have read "Finished up having fun pushing cars in snow" (B!**dy smart phones!)
Yes still quite a bit of snow but quite pretty
SM6 well done on your long run yesterday not long to taper.
MG1 same here for the last long run this weekend.
NN 20 on Tuesday will be ok
OH well done with the run and snow, I ran, walked ,climbed my hill on Saturday and went through drifts of 4 to 6 feet deep they are now up to 12 to 15 feet deep.
Yesterday I took a day off from training I didn't swim or run after my long run on Sunday I felt crap chilled to the bone and woke yesterday feeling the same. Feeling better today and about to go out for 7 miles
Its still very cold but the sun is shining !!
NP a day off will have done you good, I felt loads better after an extra rest day last Friday.
Tek - not as good a finish as FRANKFURT where you nearly took off
Well done again mate, a well deserved obliteration of your pb 
First running day of taper for me NP ... 7 recovery w 8x100 strides ; i feel like a right lazy fecker already
What's the general rules on quality during a taper ? I assume it's ok to chuck some MP miles into the remaining long runs ( 17 + 13 ) ? or do you run them MP +10/+20 ? or just slow ?
NP - hope whatever it was is out of your system mate and i'm sure you can afford a little break.
We've been very lucky round here, hardly any snow to speak of but bloody cold. I know how you feel as i think i'm ready for taper. I feel ok but the weather is just a right downer.
This time last year was shorts and T-Shirt weather !!!
NN here they are saying not to run that far so close to the marathon. I got the scientific explanation and it makes sense. My last long run is normally a 24 but I'll go for a 17/18 instead.
HM4 well done on the press ups.
AGF and OH I hope you both make a speedy recovery.
Teknik and Stuart well done on the PBs!!
Stewart you'll be pleased to be tapering.
Mace MP in the long runs is good for the last few weeks.
Jason well done toughing out the 10k. Sounds horrid!
Doing a track session of 8 400's the day after a 2:33 20 miler not the best idea and yesterday my hip was really unhappy. Managed to hobble round 5m in the morning then skipped the hill session in the afternoon for a 4m easy run. Have done a sunny 5m along the beach this morning and all being well should get a longer easy run this afternoon. Felt a lot better today but still not 100% so decided not to do the 5m race tomorrow as I really want to do a good last long(ish) run at the weekend and reach the VLM start line in one piece!
I hope the weather improves for everyone, it sounds dire.
Stewart - I'd do as AGF says - Sat parkrun as the "tune-up" race, Sun do the LR 16 with X @MP. I'd also be tempted to drop the V.02 the following week and replace it with a MP run.
Stuart well done for slogging out the 18.3m
HM I sooo hope so
MG well done on the cross training and treddie intervals
NN yes that's me in the purple vest. Nice swimming. That intervals session sounds brutal. In fact I know it's brutal. Good luck!
OH well done on the 8 miles
NP I don't know what she was doing - if you see the start line she's right up there with the elites. Not fun letting 160 people go past you! That Saturday run sounded hardcore. Enjoy the 7 miler
Mace LOL
. Nice 7m plus strides. Yes I think it's ok to add some MP miles, just don't go nuts.
Fiona that sounds like a really busy week. Hope the hip is easier this afternoon.
AGF - how are the aches and pains?
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6.7m this morning, a bit on my own then through the woods/mud/snow with the club. Left foot still sore but better than yesterday.
NN hope the sun comes out and stays out.
Fiona great running while you have been away in the sun, I hope you bring it back with you
Teknik hope the left foot is ok well done on the run in the woods.
Not to impressed with my run this morning still not feeling 100% so will run again later but all slow until Thursday when I will try some more speed work.
Help fiona why ?? I think its the only time I will get to fit it in now
Very impressive pace for your 20 miler Fiona
I went full blast at all the sessions there and actually came back from that trip knackered lol, so yes skip that race !!
NP be sensible hope you feel better soon
Mace have a good taper, no snow here either....all winter !!
Tek sounds like a couple easy days and that foot will be fine still VERY early since your race
Well done guys.
Second run of the day done in and around MP. Felt a little better
Well done on the 2nd run NP, hope you feel better tomorrow.
They were just saying tonight to reduce the long run 3 weeks out but otherwise don't cut other miles til 10 days from the marathon. Interesting to hear what the experts think!
Tek well done on 6.7
NP glad the second run went better
Fiona good all round running out there , make the most of the sun! Interested to hear what the science is and advice on long run distance 2 weeks out ?
OH well down on the railway run
Fiona, after reading your first reply I did a bit of googling (as you do ) and the obvious answer is without doubt DO NOT do the 20 on the Tues, for the exact reasons you say in your second post. I have 4 x 20s a 21 and a 22 plus a couple of 18s under my belt, so unless I can get it done before Sunday (UNLIKLEY) maybe I should just DO 17-18 on Tues , to be honest I am feeling pretty tired most of the time now , I have and missed less than a handful of sessions 2 of which were only recovery runs anyway and with several night-shifts still to go in the next 3 weeks I think its time to cut mileage (I keep forgetting I am not as young as I used to be ....or would like to be lol )and concentrate on the quality stuff,
Fiona when is your last 20 ?
MG1 even the P&D plan only has a 16/17 LR 2 weeks out, (which I wont be doing as for me that would be too much , I will do 14/15 )so definitely no more than that , what were you thinking of doing ?
MG1 I have been told 2 weeks out a 14 is plenty with MP in it.
Oh I feel better knowing that Fiona, so you have done your last 20 4 weeks out ? is that right ? mmm I did 18.5 not that much in it really I guess..
Decision made..if I cant do it before Sunday I wont do it..scarey !!
MG1 seriously you have done plenty,
Put your feet up I say, you're nicely baked
Last run day here then back to the freezer tomorrow. F
SM6, nice 18 the other day, interesting you're only going for a two week taper, are you just trying something new
MG1, It will be interesting to here how a shorten taper period differs from a three week one
NN, awesome interval session there, you've got lots of miles in the bank so there is no need to panic
OH, good running and looks like a tough cross training session pushing those cars, hope the white stuff clears soon
NP, nice double and I'm glad you're feeling better
Mace, nice 7 with strides enjoy the taper
Tek, hope the foot is feeling better today, good run on mixed terrain
Fiona, you've been doing a lot of running this week, hope your hip is feeling better, enjoy your last run in the sun, hopefully the temperatures here will pickup on your return,
Thanks for the advice as always it is greatly appericated, I'm going to do as suguested for my long run this week I'll do 16 with 12@MP.
JS run last night went with the 6 mile group in a little over an hour with a nice hill about 2 miles in, interval session tonight 5*600's should be fun...
HM what's the press-up plan this week?
NP nice MP run
MG well done on the cross-training...I agree with NN, that's a good LR list. Taper now...
Fiona that week went so quickly!
mace - starting to chew your arm off yet?
Stewart nice JS run. Good luck with the intervals.
Anyone heard from Kaz?
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I was worried about today's run as the foot still hurts, and I'm still tired from Sunday. 1m w/up then 9m at 83%max. Turned out to be 8.00mm, HR rock solid in the last few miles, so happy enough.
Fiona - it'll be a shock to the system coming back to this ... my parents have just come back from a week in Egypt and they've been holed up in front of the fire for 2 days
Stewart - good luck with the MP run, you'll be fine
Tek - LOL not yet !! I'm expecting to be totally limbless around next Thursday/Friday
Great run to HR, GO FOR IT !!!
12 progressive (ish) finishing with around 5 @ MP .... i was working a bit to hit MP for a mile or so ( maybe cos of Sunday's 20 ) but settled in nicely after and was slowing myself up to hit it at the end