Did my first Tempo run today, 5.03 miles in 55 mins, only problem is found it so exhausting was struggling not to throw up Felt fine while actually running, wasn't till i stopped that the sick feeling struck, obviously need to slow it down next time.
Hope everyone is well and your running your socks off
Excellent kittenred and Naomi, sorry to hear your woes kevin. Martin, the beer's lovely and you're never more than 5 miles from lovely countryside in stoke.
Resting today, tomorrow I'm going to try 1 walk,2 run for at least 20 minutes.
Welcome kittenred WOW some good running going on heremakes me feel a little guilty as i haven't ran since tuesday when i fell on the ice but all the pain and soreness has gone now but boy is it windy out there today.I was going to run today but i think i have chickened out i will go on my exercise bike for 30 mins and 'do davina' as well to make up for it tho an i will df be at club on tuesday(barring anyother accidents) Thankfully my arm is ok and there are no scars YIPPPEE!!!!!!
Keep up the good work everybody gotta dash catch ya laters
What an eventful run today was! Ipod in phone in the pocket and off I went.Felt good a little wind but that was okay.Just getting home after 2.2m when I reached for the phone to find it missing.
Yes I turned round and ran the route again to try and find it and now making it a 4.4m run which I managed in 38m 15s and no phone and my knee didnt feel that bad either.
Rang the number and yes it had been found by a good citizen and I have just collected it.
I don't think we could make up the things that happen to our beginners group.When they wrote the books it shouldnt happen to a vet did they mean vet runners!
Absolute complete novice here folks so forgive any mind numbing stupido questions
Just started running (when I say running I mean moving only slightly faster than I do normally) and stupidly signed myself up for a 10 k run in June - gonna follow the beginners guide a few questions though folks
1. If I train 3-5 times a week and my run is in 5 months is it realistic for me to say I can do a 10k run (hope so 'cos its for charity and its gonna cos me if its a no no !!)
2. Running shoes - any advice - I am usually a cheapness is best kinda guy when it comes to trainers but I do want to minimise any pain so happy to shell out for anything that stop blisters etc. etc.
3. Food - What's are the best things to eat before a run and how long before is best (understand this mind vary from person to person but any pointers will help)
4. I am training in my local gym on a treadmill but is running outside a lot harder (told you there would be daft questions !)
5. Any other advice - do's dont's (the simplier the better)
Thanks to all for help - any and all advice v v welcome
Gloucester (Epney) Marathon Right firs toff i didn't quite PB in the end but there is a reason for that which was my left quad was being a bitch and went into quite a bad ache. Typically theres nothing wrong the bloody thing now
Splits i think then the waffle
9:18 9:24 9:25 9:49 drinks station 9:40 9:57 10:22 inc drinks station 9:40 10:10 the mini everest as mick called it 9:33 10:49 toilet stop (portaloo) and drinks 10:09 10:02 11:29 drinks 10:25 11:31 mini everest again 10:4 11:39 drinks 10:50 11:51 quad beginning to ache here 12:29 drinks plus quad 13:13 quad being a right bitch now also caught up with hippo here 11:06 mini everest quad however better for now 11:15 12:43 quad beginning to ache again 14:10 quad real bad about half way through the mile 16:28 walked to finish due to sore quad it was actually forcing me to walk slower than i would normally
total distance ran 26.52 miles in 4:50:29 ave pace 10:57
all by my garmin a few seconds slower officailly as it was a bit of a rolling start that caught a fair few people unaware
Met mick and phil as i was trying to find somewhere to park and then hippo shortly after i'd aquired by number. Bumped into Jogging John near the start and pretty much ran with him all the way around, he did go off in front on lap 2 but did admit to gettting carried away and going too fast as i managed to catch up later on.
From mile 20 or so onwards i was keeping an eye on the time and garmin details and up until the last couple of miles when the quad ceased up again i was still on course for a PB of probably no more than 4:40 or even a few mins slower but eerything doesn't always go right on the day so to speak. Like today my bum bag stuffed full of jelly babies was attached around me but as i was walking towards the start it broke so i was forced to ditch it on the way back past the car meaning the only fuel taken in during the run was 3 cups of Hi 5 as i went past that drinks station.
Oh well at least with the lack of pain since i finished i'm confident that there is no damage to the quad so i'll be fine for T2T althugh i stil havn't figured out what method of running i'll do for it. I certainly wont be running for 10+ mile snon stop for this one, something like 25 mins running with 5 mins walking of similar via mileage instead ie run 3 miles walk 5 mins.
Hmm just did a split check via sporttracks for 26.2 miles and i get the result of 4:45:15 which is technically a 10 second PB i wonder if i can check and use that That way people (and me) would win some points.
Hello all ... o my goodness.. If only I'd ran as many miles as I drank pints of cider in the last week ! Great holiday but I'm still recovering.. Think I've gained a stone in 5 days!! ARGH!
it was worth it though - fab time an total change from mummy routine for me! wicked!
Back to running on Tue for me I think - so lovely to read progress of you all - HI Naomi - you're making storming good progress - very well done! You should be very proud
Kev .. glad you got your phone back. Kittenred - sounds like you're making great progress too - good on you!! please let us know how you get on increasing that mileage?!
Andy .. When I started (for the third time) run walking, I didn't really know how I'd get on - but I staggered round a 5k 5 months after and felt great - I'm still out doing 2.5 or 3 miles couple of times a week an although its only a tiny bit compared to some of the fitter ones on here - I feel great!! Stick with it - your spreadsheet sounds a great idea - I never realised how motivating things like that can be (I map my routes on fetch now and thats a great movivator!) Very soon you'll be running 2 or 3 miles continuously and its a FAB feeling!!
Hi Big Stu - u'll get good advice from the more experienced ones here, Yes, spend money on shoes, well worth it, (go to good running shop for advice) ... I like to eat an oatibix breakfast cereal with milk an tiny bit sugar about 2 hours before (slow burning carb) then go for banana smoothie about 45 minutes before ) but I'm only doing wee distances .. and that works well for me - all the very best!!
1) 3-5 runs a week and 5 months is plenty of time to train for a 10k
2) go to a proper shop that does Gait analysis (they see how you run) which will lead to getting the right sort of trainers for your running style, the wrong sort can lead to injury. Expect to pay between £60 and £100, mine generally cost me £80-85 a pair and i'll be going through at least 5 pairs this year probably more
3) erm all down to personal preference i'm afraid but DON'T eat within 30-60 mins of running.
4) Yes and no depends on the person, i've been known to do large runs on a treadmill occasionally but i would say running on the road is a good idea as that is what you'll be running the 10k on.
5) erm just carry on asking questions really when you think them up
I think running outside gets you ready for uneven roads and the fact you have wind resistance which you will probably need to get ready for on your big day.
I ask a lot of questions, and nobody here will slam you for it.
Everyone wants each other to reach their potential what ever level that may be.
I started running five weeks ago and like you am a complete novice. I got my shoes from Sweatshop, used the store locator on their website to find one near me. They get you to run on a treadmill for ten seconds and then from watching that can tell you what shoes are best for you. I was a bit scared at first because it all sounds very complicated but the staff were really friendly and helpful. Each pair of shoes lasts for around 500 miles of running so you get a lot of miles for your money.
10 km in five months is very realistic, though make sure you don't train to much, or you may get injured.
They say if you run on treadmill you should put it on a 1% incline because that imitates wind speed making it more like running outside.
Hi Big Stu - no questions are stupid if it's gonna help you run better and safer.
Ditto what Keith said, plus I'd just add, warm up before and stretch out after your run.
If you have a limited budget (and don't have a guilt complex) get your gait analysis done at a shop and then buy the trainers on line, could save £20-30 that way. Personally I can't do that, but loads of people do.
i generally buy the first pair in the shop as i can try on several different shoes there but i'll then get other pairs from the net
as for stretching never do it cold always warm up with 10 mins jogging minimum first, personally i rarely stretch pre race and i generally dont bother too much with warm ups either as most of my races are long enough to go slow for the first mile or so as a warm up
Hi peeps *pops head into thread looking guilty* my name is earlybird and i haven't since tuesady last week*hangs head in shame* In my defence however i did have my nasty fall on ice with the accompanying whiplash and my scalded arm(ok i know that does't stop me from running but it wa sore) and then at the weekend it was blowing a hoolie up here soo i thought it would be a good idea to 'do davina' .I thought i done fab and was smiling all the way thru until i got up yesterday morning and now i can't feel my legs bum or tops of my arms(i think i need them to run with as well )I really should go to running club tonight even if it's just to loosen myself up a tad (i may look a little daft like coz i'm walking as if i have cr*pped myself so god knows what i'm going to look like running(and no i will not video it for you guys to have a laugh at either )
Gosh you are all doing so well Naomi well done on your 6 miles Cathy that an impresive talent you have there consuming more pints than running Kev pleased to hear you got your phone back there are some good samaratins out thre after all and well done on the run too
Big Stu some good advice handed out there i would say the most important thing is def getting your shoes right i got mine wrong and suffered terrible with very painful calfs for a long time just try and relax and enjoy it while your out there as well (yes 'out there' get outside man it's the best ,wind in your hair and freedom to go where you want different scenery and you can change your pace without having to pres buttons and crap like that)
Godders (you know your introuble when i call you that ) Where the heck are you and why have you not got any training logged on fetch since the 19th January that's 10 days and worse than me.How is EM are you both still training etc????? Update please
Skellie are you hiding too????
Jen hows things going ref the crosstraining done any yet???When are you back at hozzy???Gosh where are all the regulars gone i'm lonely there's only me and Jen left ,sorry Jo i know your still popping in occasionally how are you as well has the little un settled at pre school yet for you??
Hi EB - course I've not done any crosstraining - apart from the stuff with my PT. I know I keep saying it but I really must start doing more cv stuff - climbed 2 flights of stairs at work today - nearly bliddy killed me! Tendons coming along nicely now, more of a niggle than actual pain - fizz has magic fingers!! Back to specialist next week Thursday, hoping once the tendons are cleared up he'll give me the green light to run, but it's unlikely I'll be doing much more than the odd 5k. I'll keep you posted.
Thanks for the encouragement and feedback - I've found a shop that does the Gant checks near me so am going to skive off tomorrow and get a pair of decent shoes (hope my boss isn't a member here!)
Cheers all and happy running (is that a very newbie thing to say!)
Mine is only 39 but i am running tonight come on guys what's your mileages we have to beat Keith
Jen i'm pleased that your tendons are coming along nicely(god that sounds lke your roasting them in the oven or summit lol)I hope the specialist gives you the all clear to run even if it's only a little.Your pt must be getting you in shape as well tho ??? Keep taking the stairs and walk everywhere humanly possible keep active what about swimming or aerobics pilates etc????Your doing well to hang in there, you have had a lot to put up with chin up and you will get there or as close to there as possible.
fetch says i'm 48 miles behind schedulee too oh well can make amends to that easy enough a wee 5-7 miler tomorrow to losen off something similar on friday and then 40 odd sunday should get me back towards target nicely
EB!! How are you doing? Did you get to club tonight? Hope so? If not, tomorro you are out there... wind or no wind!!? I managed to stagger slightly less than 2 miles this morning - (a girl at work who runs a lot said "its not worth putting the washing machine on for less than 3 miles!") I like that - and she;s right ... but it was teeming down this morning an still dark - awful - but I felt very virtuous when I returned home like a drowned rat!
Jen - thats good news you're on the mend .. Jendons Tendons on the Mendons .... ha! sorry - I succumbed to a small glass or two of wino o dear! Still smiling at EB's comment re roast dinner! Hope you'll be at full fitness very soon!
Keith - how can fetch say you're behind schedule - surely some mistake I fear!! Any one who wears out that many shoes hardly sounds like he's trailing - have you thought about a shoe sponsorship deal
43.5 miles now yes i got to club it was hard but i'm pleased i done it They are sadistic tho took me up three blooming hills in a 3.8 mile run then got home and nobody was in so had to run around the estate to keep warm coz i had no keys and no phone with me Tired now so off to bed will catch up tomo
wow that took some quick skim reading to catch up - you've all been very busy running and posting! well done to everyone - you all seem to be making great progress!
aww EB - u poor thing having to run round block until someone got home! not good after a run!
cathy - glad u enjoyed london!! and course you are included in the girls log against keith!!!
had race on sun - really enjoyed it!! still knackered from weekend and work is absolutley crazy at the mo hence the lack of posts! will try and find time to pop on in next few days and also try find time for a run!! def going out on the weekend though for a long one!!
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Did my first Tempo run today, 5.03 miles in 55 mins, only problem is found it so exhausting was struggling not to throw up Felt fine while actually running, wasn't till i stopped that the sick feeling struck, obviously need to slow it down next time.
Hope everyone is well and your running your socks off
Excellent kittenred and Naomi, sorry to hear your woes kevin. Martin, the beer's lovely and you're never more than 5 miles from lovely countryside in stoke.
Resting today, tomorrow I'm going to try 1 walk,2 run for at least 20 minutes.
Welcome kittenred WOW some good running going on heremakes me feel a little guilty as i haven't ran since tuesday when i fell on the ice but all the pain and soreness has gone now but boy is it windy out there today.I was going to run today but i think i have chickened out i will go on my exercise bike for 30 mins and 'do davina' as well to make up for it tho an i will df be at club on tuesday(barring anyother accidents) Thankfully my arm is ok and there are no scars YIPPPEE!!!!!!
Keep up the good work everybody gotta dash catch ya laters
Afternoon to you All,
What an eventful run today was! Ipod in phone in the pocket and off I went.Felt good a little wind but that was okay.Just getting home after 2.2m when I reached for the phone to find it missing.
Yes I turned round and ran the route again to try and find it and now making it a 4.4m run which I managed in 38m 15s and no phone and my knee didnt feel that bad either.
Rang the number and yes it had been found by a good citizen and I have just collected it.
I don't think we could make up the things that happen to our beginners group.When they wrote the books it shouldnt happen to a vet did they mean vet runners!
Hope all is well with everyone
Kev
Ran 6 miles today furthest yet !!!!!!!!!!! Am at the half way mark of my training plan, only six weeks till my half.
To think I only started running 6 weeks ago means i've built up a mile a week, cant believe it.
*pats herself on the back*
Hope everyones well
not many people posting over the last few days
though its probably cause you're all so busy out there running
Hi All,
Absolute complete novice here folks so forgive any mind numbing stupido questions
Just started running (when I say running I mean moving only slightly faster than I do normally) and stupidly signed myself up for a 10 k run in June - gonna follow the beginners guide a few questions though folks
1. If I train 3-5 times a week and my run is in 5 months is it realistic for me to say I can do a 10k run (hope so 'cos its for charity and its gonna cos me if its a no no !!)
2. Running shoes - any advice - I am usually a cheapness is best kinda guy when it comes to trainers but I do want to minimise any pain so happy to shell out for anything that stop blisters etc. etc.
3. Food - What's are the best things to eat before a run and how long before is best (understand this mind vary from person to person but any pointers will help)
4. I am training in my local gym on a treadmill but is running outside a lot harder (told you there would be daft questions !)
5. Any other advice - do's dont's (the simplier the better)
Thanks to all for help - any and all advice v v welcome
Cheers all
Stu
Right firs toff i didn't quite PB in the end but there is a reason for that which was my left quad was being a bitch and went into quite a bad ache. Typically theres nothing wrong the bloody thing now
Splits i think then the waffle
9:18
9:24
9:25
9:49 drinks station
9:40
9:57
10:22 inc drinks station
9:40
10:10 the mini everest as mick called it
9:33
10:49 toilet stop (portaloo) and drinks
10:09
10:02
11:29 drinks
10:25
11:31 mini everest again
10:4
11:39 drinks
10:50
11:51 quad beginning to ache here
12:29 drinks plus quad
13:13 quad being a right bitch now also caught up with hippo here
11:06 mini everest quad however better for now
11:15
12:43 quad beginning to ache again
14:10 quad real bad about half way through the mile
16:28 walked to finish due to sore quad it was actually forcing me to walk slower than i would normally
total distance ran 26.52 miles in 4:50:29 ave pace 10:57
all by my garmin a few seconds slower officailly as it was a bit of a rolling start that caught a fair few people unaware
Met mick and phil as i was trying to find somewhere to park and then hippo shortly after i'd aquired by number. Bumped into Jogging John near the start and pretty much ran with him all the way around, he did go off in front on lap 2 but did admit to gettting carried away and going too fast as i managed to catch up later on.
From mile 20 or so onwards i was keeping an eye on the time and garmin details and up until the last couple of miles when the quad ceased up again i was still on course for a PB of probably no more than 4:40 or even a few mins slower but eerything doesn't always go right on the day so to speak. Like today my bum bag stuffed full of jelly babies was attached around me but as i was walking towards the start it broke so i was forced to ditch it on the way back past the car meaning the only fuel taken in during the run was 3 cups of Hi 5 as i went past that drinks station.
Oh well at least with the lack of pain since i finished i'm confident that there is no damage to the quad so i'll be fine for T2T althugh i stil havn't figured out what method of running i'll do for it. I certainly wont be running for 10+ mile snon stop for this one, something like 25 mins running with 5 mins walking of similar via mileage instead ie run 3 miles walk 5 mins.
Hmm just did a split check via sporttracks for 26.2 miles and i get the result of 4:45:15 which is technically a 10 second PB i wonder if i can check and use that That way people (and me) would win some points.
Hello all ... o my goodness.. If only I'd ran as many miles as I drank pints of cider in the last week ! Great holiday but I'm still recovering.. Think I've gained a stone in 5 days!! ARGH!
it was worth it though - fab time an total change from mummy routine for me! wicked!
Back to running on Tue for me I think - so lovely to read progress of you all - HI Naomi - you're making storming good progress - very well done! You should be very proud
Kev .. glad you got your phone back. Kittenred - sounds like you're making great progress too - good on you!! please let us know how you get on increasing that mileage?!
Andy .. When I started (for the third time) run walking, I didn't really know how I'd get on - but I staggered round a 5k 5 months after and felt great - I'm still out doing 2.5 or 3 miles couple of times a week an although its only a tiny bit compared to some of the fitter ones on here - I feel great!! Stick with it - your spreadsheet sounds a great idea - I never realised how motivating things like that can be (I map my routes on fetch now and thats a great movivator!) Very soon you'll be running 2 or 3 miles continuously and its a FAB feeling!!
Hi Big Stu - u'll get good advice from the more experienced ones here, Yes, spend money on shoes, well worth it, (go to good running shop for advice) ... I like to eat an oatibix breakfast cereal with milk an tiny bit sugar about 2 hours before (slow burning carb) then go for banana smoothie about 45 minutes before ) but I'm only doing wee distances .. and that works well for me - all the very best!!
Stu
1) 3-5 runs a week and 5 months is plenty of time to train for a 10k
2) go to a proper shop that does Gait analysis (they see how you run) which will lead to getting the right sort of trainers for your running style, the wrong sort can lead to injury. Expect to pay between £60 and £100, mine generally cost me £80-85 a pair and i'll be going through at least 5 pairs this year probably more
3) erm all down to personal preference i'm afraid but DON'T eat within 30-60 mins of running.
4) Yes and no depends on the person, i've been known to do large runs on a treadmill occasionally but i would say running on the road is a good idea as that is what you'll be running the 10k on.
5) erm just carry on asking questions really when you think them up
Stu,
Good advice from Keith.
I think running outside gets you ready for uneven roads and the fact you have wind resistance which you will probably need to get ready for on your big day.
I ask a lot of questions, and nobody here will slam you for it.
Everyone wants each other to reach their potential what ever level that may be.
Kev
I started running five weeks ago and like you am a complete novice. I got my shoes from Sweatshop, used the store locator on their website to find one near me. They get you to run on a treadmill for ten seconds and then from watching that can tell you what shoes are best for you. I was a bit scared at first because it all sounds very complicated but the staff were really friendly and helpful. Each pair of shoes lasts for around 500 miles of running so you get a lot of miles for your money.
10 km in five months is very realistic, though make sure you don't train to much, or you may get injured.
They say if you run on treadmill you should put it on a 1% incline because that imitates wind speed making it more like running outside.
Naomi
Hi Big Stu - no questions are stupid if it's gonna help you run better and safer.
Ditto what Keith said, plus I'd just add, warm up before and stretch out after your run.
If you have a limited budget (and don't have a guilt complex) get your gait analysis done at a shop and then buy the trainers on line, could save £20-30 that way. Personally I can't do that, but loads of people do.
i generally buy the first pair in the shop as i can try on several different shoes there but i'll then get other pairs from the net
as for stretching never do it cold always warm up with 10 mins jogging minimum first, personally i rarely stretch pre race and i generally dont bother too much with warm ups either as most of my races are long enough to go slow for the first mile or so as a warm up
Hi peeps *pops head into thread looking guilty* my name is earlybird and i haven't since tuesady last week*hangs head in shame* In my defence however i did have my nasty fall on ice with the accompanying whiplash and my scalded arm(ok i know that does't stop me from running but it wa sore) and then at the weekend it was blowing a hoolie up here soo i thought it would be a good idea to 'do davina' .I thought i done fab and was smiling all the way thru until i got up yesterday morning and now i can't feel my legs bum or tops of my arms(i think i need them to run with as well )I really should go to running club tonight even if it's just to loosen myself up a tad (i may look a little daft like coz i'm walking as if i have cr*pped myself so god knows what i'm going to look like running(and no i will not video it for you guys to have a laugh at either )
Gosh you are all doing so well Naomi well done on your 6 miles Cathy that an impresive talent you have there consuming more pints than running Kev pleased to hear you got your phone back there are some good samaratins out thre after all and well done on the run too
Big Stu some good advice handed out there i would say the most important thing is def getting your shoes right i got mine wrong and suffered terrible with very painful calfs for a long time just try and relax and enjoy it while your out there as well (yes 'out there' get outside man it's the best ,wind in your hair and freedom to go where you want different scenery and you can change your pace without having to pres buttons and crap like that)
Godders (you know your introuble when i call you that ) Where the heck are you and why have you not got any training logged on fetch since the 19th January that's 10 days and worse than me.How is EM are you both still training etc????? Update please
Skellie are you hiding too????
Jen hows things going ref the crosstraining done any yet???When are you back at hozzy???Gosh where are all the regulars gone i'm lonely there's only me and Jen left ,sorry Jo i know your still popping in occasionally how are you as well has the little un settled at pre school yet for you??
Hi EB - course I've not done any crosstraining - apart from the stuff with my PT. I know I keep saying it but I really must start doing more cv stuff - climbed 2 flights of stairs at work today - nearly bliddy killed me! Tendons coming along nicely now, more of a niggle than actual pain - fizz has magic fingers!! Back to specialist next week Thursday, hoping once the tendons are cleared up he'll give me the green light to run, but it's unlikely I'll be doing much more than the odd 5k. I'll keep you posted.
Hi all,
Thanks for the encouragement and feedback - I've found a shop that does the Gant checks near me so am going to skive off tomorrow and get a pair of decent shoes (hope my boss isn't a member here!)
Cheers all and happy running (is that a very newbie thing to say!)
Stu
Mine is only 39 but i am running tonight come on guys what's your mileages we have to beat Keith
Jen i'm pleased that your tendons are coming along nicely(god that sounds lke your roasting them in the oven or summit lol)I hope the specialist gives you the all clear to run even if it's only a little.Your pt must be getting you in shape as well tho ??? Keep taking the stairs and walk everywhere humanly possible keep active what about swimming or aerobics pilates etc????Your doing well to hang in there, you have had a lot to put up with chin up and you will get there or as close to there as possible.
So EB and me together are on 87
whats godders on?
27 says fetch which takes you lot up to 114 hmm
EB!! How are you doing? Did you get to club tonight? Hope so? If not, tomorro you are out there... wind or no wind!!? I managed to stagger slightly less than 2 miles this morning - (a girl at work who runs a lot said "its not worth putting the washing machine on for less than 3 miles!") I like that - and she;s right ... but it was teeming down this morning an still dark - awful - but I felt very virtuous when I returned home like a drowned rat!
Jen - thats good news you're on the mend .. Jendons Tendons on the Mendons .... ha! sorry - I succumbed to a small glass or two of wino o dear! Still smiling at EB's comment re roast dinner! Hope you'll be at full fitness very soon!
Keith - how can fetch say you're behind schedule - surely some mistake I fear!! Any one who wears out that many shoes hardly sounds like he's trailing - have you thought about a shoe sponsorship deal
hi guys
wow that took some quick skim reading to catch up - you've all been very busy running and posting! well done to everyone - you all seem to be making great progress!
aww EB - u poor thing having to run round block until someone got home! not good after a run!
cathy - glad u enjoyed london!! and course you are included in the girls log against keith!!!
had race on sun - really enjoyed it!! still knackered from weekend and work is absolutley crazy at the mo hence the lack of posts! will try and find time to pop on in next few days and also try find time for a run!! def going out on the weekend though for a long one!!
take care everyone!!
not fair your going back on your deal, sore loser you are!!!!!!
Pleased to see your still about G How did your race go??
i've not lost yet ffs
plenty of time to work towards my mileage targets
what is your weekly combined mileage roughly anyway