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Cal - nice long run. You obviously had plenty left in the tank if the last mile was one of your fastest.
Steve - great reps (let's agree to ignore the 5th one haha). How long do you have between them?
I had pencilled in 5 miles at a hard effort on Sunday morning, targeting around 7 min miling. Got out just after 10am and it was just starting to snow. Wasn't the most pleasant conditions but at the moment I don't have the luxury of rescheduling runs so I knew if I didn't go out then I wouldn't get out at all. Saw a few other runners out, pretty much every time we greeted each other and smiled, probably appreciating each other's madness to want to be out running when it was snowing. Thankfully only an inch or so settled and it warmed up a bit in the afternoon so was no trouble driving home.
Set off at what felt like a fair effort, not the easiest to tell as it's a slight downhill to start. Watch was showing a very fast pace and I thought GPS must be playing up, but turns out it wasn't and I did first mile in 6:10 whoops (that's 5k PB pace)! After 2km I decided to ease off and recover as I knew I couldn't sustain that pace for 5 miles. Settled in to what felt like a much easier pace but was in 7:00-7:15 region. So I decided to just try and hold that effort for the rest of the run. After the 1st mile was reasonably consistent and ended up 6:56 average. So pretty much what I aimed for but not how I wanted to get there! Overall mile splits were 6:10 / 7:01 / 7:13 / 7:07 / 7:12.
I feel like recently on the few hard runs I have done I convince myself to back off too easily, I used to be really good at always pushing myself hard. So a bit disappointed in that, but pleased with the pace of the run overall. Certainly suggests I should be looking at sub-7 pace, maybe around 6:45 if I can do some more even pacing.
Shades - Quite tropical then!! That would have been better weather to run in!! I think it was around 2c or lower on both days here!! My local parkrun was cancelled on Saturday because of ice!
Been for a nice walk today; 7-miles, from Dawlish Warren to Teignmouth along part of the City to Sea route. Stopped for a cream tea (naturally), and it was a nice walk out. Caught train to Dawlish Warren, walked back to Teignmouth and then caught the train home.
remind me it was Tarmac path for myself but saying that don't think I will forget. Don't think I will hit the 100 was in awe of them all on Saturday. Like you were saying Big G it's some how normalises it but it is far from the norm.
But what I will say is that changing the mindset for me into not racing them all has made them more enjoyable, and not caring what people think if I do "badly" (i.e, 4:02 for me may not be a great time, and a couple of people did mention it at the party, but I genuinely don't care!). When I got PBs at Munich and then Nottingham last year, they were really unexpected - I just felt good on the day, so went for it. I know Allen T from our club says the same as when he got his GFA he said he wasn't even really aware that he was on for it, but just felt good on the day so pushed on. Allen is a great runner in my view, and if you talk to him he is great to chat with - like me, he can talk all day about running! He paces other Trotters on occasion and he tries to make it that the first 5K is the slowest of the lot.
As Shades said, don't worry too much about flagging in the last 3-4 miles or so on that event. It's really not an easy course. On a flatter or more even course, I think you'll do well.
Looks like a lot struggled here yesterday,after a steady 1st 4k I was 290th then gradually moved up and at mile 18 I'd gotten up to 223rd,then by 22 and the cramp I'd slipped to 258 but even though I jogged to the end I still finished 254 so lots must have faded.
Next year's has just opened,not sure what distance to do but entered the full as it's only €30 and can downgrade.Thats really good value for medal,tech t-hirt,free pasta party and lots of fruit,0% alcohol and doughnuts after the race
No aches other than some minor leg aches which are probably more to do with the flu than the race
Stretches must’ve worked.
Ian - that's great news about the achilles, I did expect you to be in a lot of pain after the marathon. I won't nag you about the flip flops again as I don't need to
I like the sound of the GC marathon, I'll put that on my to do list. Do they do a half marathon for your wife to do next year?
Nick - there's a camaraderie which is quite heart-warming when we're all out there battling the elements. That was a speedy first mile
Steve - we've sent you some tropical Devon weather, I think today or tomorrow you will have 12 degrees too!
Big G - the classifications of marathons on the 100MC website are not for guidance on how to fill in the spreadsheet it's to define which races are eligible for the annual competition which is for the runner that runs the most road marathons in UK and Ireland. That's why there have been some anomalies, like New Forest which used to be road and then moved to trail but they left it in road column for a few years. Snowdonia is trail but as it used to be road is still in road column. I won the competition a few years ago as most members do off road events and I've been placed a few times.
See here https://www.100marathonclub.org.uk/statistics/trophy-winners/
Keith - you're recovering well despite the touch of man flu. Have you entered any more marathons this year?
Jugula - that's good news about your achilles, I don't suppose you can ever give up those stretches now.
Very mild here, I was actually a bit warm running, a couple of showers, very pleasant.
Achilles a little sore today but not really noticeable,still got bad doms though,may try a run in a bit.
Ian, that does sound a bargain and a good race. I'm tempted also!
I did the 6-mile social run last night, which was nice, so I had quite an active day really (3-mile run, 7-mile walk, 6.5-mile run).
Big G: I can thoroughly recommend GC. We go there quite regularly and love exploring the island.
Not sure why but my doms are the worst ever,could be a combination of things but I'm struggling to walk today.
Shades - Thanks, was warmer today (about 4c!)!!
Disappointing LT session this morning. 10 miles with 40 mins at LT pace. Was hoping to hit 6 miles (at least) in the 40 minutes, but couldn't hold pace, so finished on 5.91 miles. Splits were 6:28/6:46/6:52/6:53/6:57/6:41 pace for final 0.91. I ran a faster 10 with 6 last year during marathon training, so doesn't bode well for running faster this year really!! Maybe last year was my peak and PB's are now behind me? I don't know!! I guess my 10k in a couple of weeks will be a good indicator.
Keith - hope you're feeling better soon. When I get really cold after running it normally means I'm hungry or just very tired. Doesn't happen often.
Ian - glad the achilles is holding up. Shame about the doms, walking about will help with doms even though it hurts. First time I did a half marathon, I'd been running 3 weeks, very painful 2nd half and home in 2:05ish, could barely walk after. Took me 30 mins to hobble the normally 5 min walk to the car (luckily my wife was driving me home). My wife made me go for a walk around the block in the evening I think as she was bored of me complaining on the sofa haha, it was pretty painful but the next day I was much better and even played a squash match in the evening.
Steve, although I admit I'm in awe of those splits (because I can't even run one mile that fast) I do understand the worry. Last summer was like that for me. But not all training sessions are going to be great and you'll find you're faster in a race situation anyway. I wouldn't write yourself off just yet!
I was considering another rest day today but the weather tomorrow looks terrible (high winds and rain) so I spent a good while grinding balls and rollers into myself and then headed out for a pretty terrible 4 mile recovery run. Terrible as in low cadence, short stride and all around sluggish. But it's done, and hopefully that means a better run on Thursday.
I wonder if your enforced rest before the race has added to your DOMS discomfort this time. if you get a little run done, it will help, although it may not feel it at the time.
I was on the 100MC committee for several years so know that's why the definition of road/trail was for the competition, we discussed the subject at many meetings. It was though unfair that a runner could have used Snowdonia for the competition one year but then not be allowed to use that race the next year.
Oh that is a big negative to the Lanzarote trip, I had momentarily forgotten about their heavy drinking and subsequent behaviour. I went to Slovenia with them, would never go on a Trotter trip again and was thankful I wasn't staying where they were. Lovely people but as Brits abroad they were awful.
Steve - it must be tomorrow that it will be 12 with you, honest
Don't be despondent about your LT pace, of course your race PB's aren't behind you. You can't expect to hit every training pace target on every training run. Wait until your next race before you reassess your training. Did you do all your work sessions early morning last year?
Nick - ouch to that DOMS you had after your first half marathon.
I know someone that got a last minute charity place in London one year, no training but he got round the race then drove from London to Devon. When he got home he rang his flatmate and asked him to come outside and prise him out of the car, as he was dehydrated he hadn't stopped on the way home and had completely seized up.
Shades-I was thinking that as I'd only ran once in 18 days before the race,hydration is probably another part as I didn't drink as much leading up to the race as I didn't think I'd be racing until I went the physio on Thursday.
Anyway, back to what I do well and that's easy running tomorrow. Got an early 13/14 miles planned!
Jelly - good luck with the endurance swimming. No, swimming won't help your running, only exception is if you can't run due to injury so then swimming can help maintain aerobic fitness.
Training should be sports specific, so if you want to run better/faster then run more. But you are still improving anyway so you're doing fine.
Steve - Nick made a good point that you are doing more work sessions now. That will certainly make a difference.
At the end of the day, why would someone who is interested in the 100MC mark a race that is categorised as a trail race as a road race, or vice versa? It would make no sense. Of course if a person is not interested in the 100MC, then they can categorise it as they like.
Let's drop it
I've always categorised my marathon races by surface. I believe the 100MC are shortly going to have an in depth discussion as to what constitutes a road marathon so there will me more clarity I hope.
I'm sure there have been a few incidents over the years with the Trotters abroad.
2 Trotters at my Pilates class this morning, both male.